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>> larry: thank you all very much. thanks, larry. by the way, tune in with our exclusive interview with richard heene. balloon boy will be here, too. i'm not kidding. how anyone flew it in it i cannot imagine what i can imagine is "ac 360" anderson keeper. anderson? >> larry, thanks. tonight, the making of a terrorist. with charges leveled against the alleged christmas bomber, we have new inside information, surprising stuff about how quickly top officials now believe this guy was turned into a violent extremist. al qaeda's new methods of recruitment and brain walk and who they are trying to reach now. also tonight, if the government plans a surge of air marshals we look at what is and is not working at airport security. you have probably been patted down at airports narcs is not worth much of anything. the millions spent on fancy tsa machines, wasted. we are keeping them honest. later, up close, we will speak with one of the men behind this high seas battle between anti-whaling activists and japanese whalers. the latest round splitting one
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boat almost in half. first up tonight, terror charges in the christmas bombing atempt a federal grand jury in detroit handing up the indictment against this man, umar farouk abdulmutallab, a nigerian, 23 years old a rich man, well traveled. allegedly radicalized at a al qaeda training camp in yemen, you will hear only on 360 with shocking speed. the indictment says he boarded northwest flight 253 on christmas day with a bombed me of two explosives sewn into his underpants. i want to show you the charges. attempted use of a weapons of mass destruction. that's the bomb. attempted murder within the special aircraft jurisdiction of the u.s. that's legal term for any aircraft in american airspace or with an american destination. other charge, willful attempt to destroy and wreck an aircraft within that same legal jurisdiction. also, willfully placing a destructive device in, upon and in proximity to an aircraft. and two counts of possession of a firearm or destructive device in furtherance of a violent crime. now, all together, they add up to a potential life sentence
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there's a lot of moving parts to this story and the criminal justice system, the counterterrorism community and the white house. we are covering all of it tonight with senior political analyst, david gergen, senior legal an gist, jeffrey toobin and frances townsend, national security contributor and former homeland security adviser to president bush. so, jeff, six-count federal indictment. what's next? >> he will be arraigned. he will not get out on bail. and the case will proceed, i assume, like richard reid, the shoe bomber. he is going to plead guilty. >> why do you think woe plead guilty? why wouldn't -- some who say he will try to make a mockery of the u.s. courts that he will try drag this out as long as possible, then plead not guilty if that is what his intention is? >> that is a possibility, i suppose, but he has a responsible lawyer, the head public defender in that part of michigan. i just think when the facts are as obvious as these facts are people tend not to go to trial and i don't know when he will plead guilty but i think he will. >> fran, the u.s. is already saying that they got information
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from this guy as soon as the fbi started interviewing him when they pulled him off the plane. >> well, that's right, anderson, but what we are hearing from fbi officials is that they spoke to him without giving him miranda. as you were expect, they were interested in the disruption of follow-on attacks. they gave him miranda. and what i'm hearing from fbi sources he clammed up and became somewhat bell limp rant. i agree with jeffrey, given the overwhelming nature of this evidence if he maintains a belligerent attitude, he may just force the government to walk the paces through the case. >> david, what are you hearing? i know you had some inside information about al qaeda and some of their recruiting tactics. >> the -- i was told, anderson, by folks at the white house that they were -- they were quite surprised that the recruiting effort, how successful and how quick it was. this young man, just like mr. hasan, was drawn in by the internet, which one person called today the hauntingly
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persuasive for people like him. but then he went to yemen. he was only there about four months and in that time, essentially, he was swept up. and he was brainwashed in an almost cult-like environment and they sent him forward on his mission and it happened very quickly. he was turned around and turned into this, in effect, a guided missile for the al qaeda. so, the white house is trying to figure out now how does this al qaeda operation work? is this similar to what's going on elsewhere? how sophisticated is it? >> that is interesting, fran, corresponds to his father coming forward, saying my son has gone off the deep end, raising red flags about thinks son. he told cia officials that in nigeria in the capital it is surprising to hear how quickly though this young man was allegedly rah rdicalized. >> that's right there were other reports that was guy disaffected for some time, including the
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time when he was in yemen -- i'm sorry, being ex-kated in london. and we know al alack kirk whom david spoke about radicalized him in yemen was preaching there at the same time. it will be interesting to see as this unfolds, whether al awlaki and abdulmutallab had contact in yemen t may be that this was a longer period of time in which he was susceptible to these radical ideas than we realize yet. >> he invited radical speakers when he was head of the islamic society of this school in england what fran was referring to jeff, a lot of criticism from mainly republicans saying, look this should have been tried, not put into a civilian court. the military should have handled this. this guy should not have been mirandized and read his rights and given the rights of an american citizen would. the process be very -- what would the process be if that had occurred, sort of taken by the military? >> well, since there hasn't been a successful military tribunal for terrorism since world war
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two we don't know -- >> not one? >> not one that has resulted in a conviction like this absolutely, in a case anything like this, not at all. so i think when you talk about choosing between the two, you have to remember that we have a very tried, very effective federal criminal justice system and nothing comparable in the military system that's been proven to work and upheld by the courts. but even if you had a military tribunal system, you couldn't get more information out of him because he's not talking and presumably, we are done with water boarding in this country. and having said he didn't want to talk, that would be respected. end of story. so, in fact, in terms of what we really care about getting more information, you wouldn't get information either way. >> david, we talked about accountability last night. did whoever you talk to in the white house today talk about, you know, anyone actually being held responsible, being fired for -- for failing to connect the dots? >> well, i think a number of people in washington have been speculating mr. lighter who runs the national counterterrorism
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center might well lose his job over this. i was told today that he was safe. that subjects that there may not be a lot of firings on this whole thing. i didn't have the sense in talking to people today that that was coming. instead, what i -- i also asked about a question paul begala raised on this program last night with you, anderson, was the president going to take any responsibility here? after all earthquake didn't insert himself into that list yesterday about taking personal responsibility. and i was told that he did in the meeting yesterday say the buck stops here in affect, i take responsibility and that he would publicly take responsibility. so, this brennan report that's coming out tomorrow may be accompanied by a statement by the president saying, ultimately at the end of the day, i'm the responsible officer here. >> anderson that is precisely what i heard on my way over here from a senior administration official. the report we are going to see from brennan tomorrow is going to be very short, two or three pages, and no one's getting fired. that was the most recent -- >> no one is getting fired?
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no one is resign? >> right. >> interesting. fran townsend, appreciate it david gergen, jeff to been as well. thanks. >> thank you. no one is being held accountable. do you think putting this guy on trial is the right move? let us know. join the live chat under way at ac360.com. i just logged on myself. up next, a new airline scare, fighter jets scrambled, the entire security system apparently stretched tight. we have details on that. and now investigating tsa. when you walk through the tsa screening, does it actually work? probably been patted down, those fancy machines. you are going to be disturbed by what our investigation found. we are keeping them honest. and president obama making a campaign honest to negotiate health care reform out in the open even on c-span. do you remember that promise? now the ceo of c-span is calling him on it, but is the president not living up to his politics? we have the raw politics and the plain facts. ♪
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yet another sign tonight how edgy it is for people to fly. a hawaiian airline 767 returning to portland oregon, that is it right there after a passenger got unruly and according to tsa made threatening remarks the and refused to stow his carry-on bag. two f-15s were scrambled. authorities interviewed the passenger and companion and released them and turned the case over to authorities. the entire system remains on high alert. tonight, we are learning that the government is pushing to get more air marshals on airliners in particular, immigration agents are being asked to volunteer because they have already got some of the needed training. things are changing. the real question though, and it is being asked for the white house on down is this, what works in airports? what doesn't work in terms of
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screening? who is doing a good job and who isn't? randi kaye has been investigating. and she is keeping them honest. >> reporter: on sunday at terminal c in newark airport, a man slips past a security check point atsa worker is distracted and doesn't notice. even when a passenger alerts officials, the tsa waits more than an hour before alerting airport police to the security breach. if this was a real threat, that's precious time. and when the tsa tries to view security tape of the incident, it discovers the cameras are running but not recording. and we've learned that's not unusual. the union representing airport police tells us the tsa routinely informs them of illegal activity long after the fact. the tsa says it accepts full responsibility for the failure and has placed the employee involved on administrative leave. the unidentified man, no trace. keeping them honest, what's
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going on at the tsa and who is in charge? the man from nated as its head has admitted improperly accessing a government database 20 years ago to run a background check on his ex-wife's new boyfriend. the nomination has also been held up because of republican's concern he would allow tsa workers join a labor union. and there are other problems. the tsa spent $30 million on its fancy puffer machines, which blow air on you to release explosive material. they didn't work and are being phased out. one security expert says tsa pat-down practices miss all sorts of things. >> any pat-down that you experience that doesn't ex-bars you physically is one that's not very effective. >> reporter: even the agency's animals seem out of sorts. in philadelphia, three of the tsa's bomb-sniffing dogs failed consecutive tests. the dogs were responsible for checking cargo at philadelphia international. ten other airport dogs did pass
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the tests. >> they don't retrain them them got to retrain and recertify. not the dog's fault. the dog can't say i can't smell a bomb. >> reporter: tsa's response? there are more than 700 dog teams at airports and mass transhubs and all are suppose tonight recertified occasionally. back in december went tsa inadvertently posted its screening procedures manual online, a leak that might aid terrorists, five employees were put on leave. just yesterday in bakersfield, california, the airport was evacuated, shut down for five hours, after two tsa workers found what they thought were traces of explosives on a bag and bottles. they complain they had felt sick after smelling fumes from the bottles. turns out, the bottles contain honey. officials are still puzzled. on its web site, the tsa says its vision is to "continuously set the standard for excellence in transportation security." is vision that, to some, seems blinded by mishaps and
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confusion. >> let's be clear, a lot of it. sa personnel are work investigate hard to try to keep us all safe but this is -- there are mistakes happening all across the world in security. >> right. certainly isn't just the tsa. we have one crazy story to share with you out of slovakia. the airport police there tried to test their security system. things didn't go so well. they put explosives in a passenger's backpack but bomb-sniffing dogs only found one. the airport police were distracted and apparently, they just forgot about the other one and the passenger ended up flying to dublin with it. it wasn't connected to a detonator. this poor guy's house was raided, arrested briefly because they forgot they left an explosive in his backpack. >> thanks. will president obama back away from a campaign promise to put the final bargaining over health care reform in front of the cam on c-span? we have the raw politics. later, the inside story behind this deadly -- potentially deadly confrontation in the icy arctic waters. look at this video.
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this is an anti-whaling ship getting rammed by a japanese whaling vessel. lives of people and whales hang in the balance. one of the boats in this clash broke into pieces, the bow sheered off. we will talk to one of the men on these boats ahead. hear fro but this malibu is a best buy. i heard that from consumers digest. it offers better highway mileage than a comparable camry or accord. estimated 33 highway. i saw that on the epa site. so how come the malibu costs so little. it's a chevy. you have cop hair. the award-winning chevy malibu. compare it to anyone and may the best car win.
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in raw politics tonight, health care and transparen i is from the get-go, president obama promised the health care debate
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would take place in the open, including the negotiations that are central to writing a bill. he even spelled out how the transparency would happen, not once but at least five times and feel free to count along with me. >> it will be told live on c-span. i can't guarantee to be exciting you. broadcasting those negotiations on c-span so that the american people can see what the choices are. and we are going to do it all on c-span t is all going to be televised. all of this will be done on c-span, in front of the public. we will have the negotiations televised on c-span. >> that is just five times. as promises go, is pretty explicit. why, as democrats prepare for the last key phase of health care negotiations where they merge the house and the senate bills democrats ignoring c-span's actual requests to cover the negotiations live? c-span sent a letter to democratic leaders last week. as of tonight no response yet from lawmakers or from president obama. joe johns joins me with the raw politics. joe, i mean it does seem aurkd the president talked a lot about
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transparency, clearly said he wanted to see this on c-span. >> it is simple this has obviously been hard so far and a lot easier than having a big televised event. white house is just sort of making the case that this issue has already been vetted, vetted for two years. they also realize that if they did have televised hearings, it would just give the opposition another platform, anderson. >> again, a case of you say one thing when you are running for office and this happens on both sides of the political aisle and very different when you are actually leader. prom the republican perspective there were some back room deals. republicans say the democrats were essentially buying votes. you look at senator ben nelson, who's state of nebraska ended up with a deal they don't have to pick up the tab for expanding medicaid. bernie sanders of vermont, a supporter of the public option, his state ends up with a $10 billion grant for community health centers. so do republicans have a point here? >> yeah, also a question of political realities it is pretty clear the bill is not going to get significant republican support. and what the republicans are pretty much going to miss out on
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now is the opportunity to score some points and grandstand for the base and they are still also getting to the point where they can claim the president is breaking that campaign promise. but to be fair, the president made that promise before the republicans said they would filibuster the health care bill. so either way this gives the opportunity for them to accuse those democrats one more time of the secret dealmaking you were talking about on health care. win-win for them pretty much. >> nancy pelosi was asked about this by a reporter are, about not having these negotiations on c-span. here's what she said. >> well, there are a number of things said on the campaign trail. >> yeah. i mean, ouch. why would the speaker sort of whack the president like that? >> well, definitely, it sounded like the speaker was having a little fun at the president's expense. and you know, in a way, she is right. when you make promises about transparency, like mr. obama did
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on the campaign trail, you got to expect that they could come back and bite you. the administration has admitted, sure there have been miscalculations all the way through this health care debate starting with their sort of failure to figure out how militant the opposition would be. a democratic analyst told me, the white house never really expected to get the kind of public pushback that they have gotten so far. >> so does the president have lasting damage for being, you know, for transparency, before he was against it? >> short-term/long-term. short-term, probably not. fights over congressional procedure generally go absolutely nowhere and the president and his party are likely going to get what they want when they pass their bill. long-term damage though could be a different story. clearly looks acre parties that the president has gone back on his word. so if this is about political capital, he spent a lot on this one. the question really is whether he spent more than's got. all right, joe johns, appreciate t thanks very much. let's turn again to cnn
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senior political analyst david gergen for tonight's insider briefing. david, should point out worked for the clinton administration during its struggle to pass health care reform in the '90s, also worked for republican administrations in the white house. i talked to him earlier. david, you went through this with the white house, the clinton white house, they were also accused of being -- not being transparent, being overly partisan what do you think the fallout is going to be for the obama administration and the democrats in general this time around? >> well, so far, anderson, they have had a remarkable lack of success in bringing the public along on this health care bill. and seems to me that is their biggest problem right now. they have got the democrats pretty much. i think they are going to be able to resolve a lot of these differences behind closed doors. this whole effort is a-to-say put it on c-span i sort of don't think is going to go -- make that much difference to the public. what the public is really concerned about is this plain going to work? how much is it going to cost me? how much -- is the government going to be able to run this right? am i going to lose my health care? the more substantive issues.
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on those issues now, there has been no mom. in the polls i have seen in the president's direction which means we could have for the first time in our lifetime major social legislation passed in the teeth of public opposition. >> what did they do wrong? i mean they supposedly had learned the mistakes that had been made under the clinton administration and trying to do health care. you have president obama elected saying, you niece a lot of people saying they want health care reform. they now are on the brink of having some kind of health care reform and yet, as you say, this is in the face of public opposition. >> anderson, i -- i think that they may have overlearn the lessons of the clinton administration by essentially signing almost all the responsibility for writing the bill, the health care bill, to congress. it, inevitably, got drawn into the vortex of, especially in the house, what is a lot of partisanship. and very importantly the summer was a turning point for this
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when those tea parties got started up and the people started throwing bricks at the health care plan, the white house wasn't quite prepared for that and they had -- the month of august was a lost month for them. and by the time the president came back, went to the congress to give that speech, he was able to, i think, staunch the flow of bleeding. but he wasn't able to turn opinion around in his favor. and i think the white house itself now realizes that one of the things they have got to get straightened out here in the future is they can be really, really good when they are all together in the white house but when they scatter for holidays, as they did in august and as they did again with the -- with the december bombing by the bomber in detroit, they tend to be a little slower off the mark. and they can lose some of the momentum. >> maybe no holidays next year. we will see. david, thanks. david gergen. >> thank you. still ahead tonight, a "360" dispatch from what appears tonight new front in the war on terror. we will take you inside yemen for a firsthand look at where and why al qaeda is thriving.
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still ahead a high seas battle. small boat from an animal planet show was hit, split apart after being apparently rammed by a japanese whaling ship. we will talk to the captain of the crew coming up. first, erica hill has a 360 bulletin. >> the 89-year-old white supremacist charged with killing a security guard at the holocaust museum in washington, d.c. died this afternoon at the federal prison in north carolina where he was awaiting trial. james von brunn suffered from
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chronic congestive heart failure as well as other problems. he was 88. six deaths are now blamed on the arctic chill that began across much of the country this weekend and even lower temperatures on the way. cnn meteorologist rob marciano says the south will get a second blast of arctic air later this week. and those temperatures will be about five degrees colder, just what you want to hear. snow, meantime, the problem in the midwest where a blizzard swarng in effect for parts of south dakota. you can see the wind there. up to nine inches of snow is expected in the chicago area. one of the most powerful democrats in the senate is retiring. senator christopher dodd who ran for the presidential nomination in 2008 announcing today he will not seek re-election to a sixth term. this comes just one day after democratic senator byron dorgan of north dakota who has served in congress for nearly 30 years announced he won't run again either and also not seeking another term, a man who is considered a rising star in the democratic party, colorado governor bill ritter.
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his reason, something we have heard before from politicians and something senator dodd apparently doesn't agree with. >> no longer going to be a candidate for re-election in 2010. it allows know concentrate on the things that are and should be most important to all of us, taking care of my family. >> now, there's nothing more pathetic in my view than a politician who announces they are only leaving public life to spend more time with their family. >> we should mention, six republican senators have also announced they are retiring. and here in new york city, check out this daring escape on staten island. it was actually caught on camera by our affiliate wabc. an inmate, you there see, breaks free from a chain of prisoners being led out of the police precinct. makes run for a ferry terminal. caught him on a train a few minutes later, appear represently held him in the conductor's car. >> yikes. wow. there you go as always, join the live chat happening ac360.com. coming up, a 360 dispatch on
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the ground in yemen where not many outsiders visit. we just got into the country and shows us why it is a new staging ground for al qaeda. plus, looking in the future again tonight in our what's next series, talk with designer isaac mizrahi what is next in design and what three things he cannot live without. stay tuned. we're on the verge of historic reform, a major step forward for america. let's make sure the health care bill is as strong as possible. under the house plan, we'll be offered good coverage at work. and we won't pay a tax on our health benefits.
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if you're self-employed or between jobs, you'll be able to afford insurance. and you can keep the benefits you have now. we're at the finish line, tell the president and congress, choose wisely, get it right for us.
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in yemen, officials reported the arrests of three more al qaeda suspects today and i want to show where you this occurred. the operation unfolded in amran province, northwest of the capital, sanaa. the latest in a series of raids since the accused christmas day bomber was tied yemeni extremists. as we talked about earlier, at the time this nigerian, umar
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farouk abdulmutallab spent in yemen is critical to his radicalization. i want to show you the key points as to why that is on the map this is where yemen is, right here, right below saudi arabia. what you may not realize is yemen is the annes ral home of osama bin laden. his family comes from a region called hadramut. a large extended family still live in that area. yemen is also where i should point out, we have been attacked before. back in 2000, al qaeda bombed the "uss cole," which is right here in aiden harbor. since that bombing, yemen's largely unsecured board we are saudi arabia made it an easy place to entered a because there are large, unpopulated swaths of desert, a relatively easy place for al qaeda to set up training camp. check out this border here, very long border here with saudi arab arabia. yemen is considered a police state and the government stays is committed to fighting extremists but that is easier said than done it is an unforgiving place, not many
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outsiders visit. but our paula noon just got into the country and here is what she found in tonight's 360 dispatch. >> reporter: fly nothing yemen it is hard to shake the instant comparison, the jagged mountains, the unforgiving terrain, reminds you so much of afghanistan. and on the ground, it's easy to figure out why al qaeda is staging a comeback here. this is a deeply conservative, religious country where poverty is found in every corner and crevice. umar farouk abdulmutallab singled out this language school in the capital, ostensibly to improve his arabic and refine his knowledge of islam just months before he boarded flight 253 to detroit. so, we are he at the language institute with where abdulmutallab came and authorities believe this was a cover for him. we will in right now and see if we can find anyone who knows him. the institute's director tells us he was shocked by the christmas day bombing attempt.
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abdulmutallab, he says, was quiet and devout. >> like a friend, when scared. al qaeda member was here in our school or lived in a hostile. >> 'cause you wonder what could have happened? >> of course. >> reporter: now, take a look at abdulmutallab's view of the old city of sanaa, the capital of yemen, a place where the yemeni authorities believe he nursed his extremism and may have found a way to express it. the institute is now convinced that abdulmutallab was using their language school as a cover and that he knew what he wanted when he came to yemen. he wanted to mix and mingle in this chaotic environment. we are here outside the old city gates of sanaa, the capital. and remember that here, the 9/11 attacks were celebrated as a victory for jihad. some people allege that abdulmutallab knew that if he wanted to perpetrate some kind
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of an attack, he could find the means to do it right here in yemen. american linda shen has been living in yemen for four years as an arabic student and web designer. she says she is not surprised abdulmutallab would choose this country. he wanted material support for a terror attack. >> yes, i have met people and i would not be surprised that he would do something like. this i just was surprised that he -- such a quiet guy, would be him. >> in terms of trying to get something like an explosive though, that's even -- >> it's not difficult. i mean, if i wanted to, i can get ahold of explosives, if i wanted to. in yemen. easy. >> and all these things, do they make it a prime choice for al qaeda to try and settle in here? >> absolutely. absolutely. the chaos. you know, the -- you know, the lack of government control. absolutely. i mean, you see the terrain in yemen. oh it is a haven. if you are hide in some mountains with the tribal control, nobody can get in there. [ sirens ]
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>> reporter: and yet, only now it seems are yemeni special forces speeding through the country on a hair trigger, on the hunt for al qaeda operatives. >> paula, a lot of people here calling yemen the new front in the war on terror but leaders say they have been warning about this for years? >> absolutely, anderson. you know, the yemeni officials told me, look, we have told three administrations that al qaeda is a problem here and they need to be able to help with us some intelligence from the military and aid support, quite frankly, anderson. what's interesting here is that the yemeni government can't be seen to be a puppet of the united states. you know, anderson, would we go right back down that road again, going down in pakistan. you can help, you can aid, you can get that intelligence in, but you can only go so far and that is because of the anti-mannerism that still remains quite deep here. you know, anderson, think about this, we just had a report that said that intelligence in afghanistan really has not been very effective for almost a decade.
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yemeni officials telling me still, when we ask american what is do you know about yemen what do you think the biggest reference is that chandler from an episode of "friends" decided he was going to escape from yemen in one episode. one side they are laughing but the other, how are we going to expect some good support from our western allies and how far behind the 8 ball are we right now with these al qaeda cells? really there could be more al qaeda operatives in this country right now, anderson, than there are in afghanistan. >> paula newton, stay safe there thanks. coming up next, a battle on the high seas, a whale hunting ship and anti-whaling activist collide. who's to blame and what damage is done? dramatic video ahead. richard heene, remember him? he is speaking out for the first time after his guilty plea, defending himself and get this refusing to admit that that whole thing was a hoax. you will hear the video ahead.
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we have got some dramatic
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video to show you, a clash in the arctic ocean. they are from the animal planet show "whale war ". one person on the smaller boat was injured. everybody got off the boat before it sank, before it was totally disabled. the crew of the ada gail says it was rammed in an unprovoked attack. the japanese ship says they couldn't avoid a collision, the other crew got in their way and harassing them. joining me by phone is paul watson, he heads the organization that ounce the ada gail. paul, you were actually on another ship that rescued on the ada gail. what happened? >> i'm on the steve irwin three, vessels here, and the ada gail was stationary in the water at the time and the shonamaru did a complete turn and target it had and cut it right in half, just came right through, firing its water cannons at the same time, very aggressive attack and
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miracle that nobody was killed. there is one person injured. but they did it deliberately and we have six different camera angles on it. i don't think they can argue it was anything but deliberate. >> we are looking at the video now, there's people on board this ada gail. it is what, a smaller ship that you guys launch in order to stop japanese ships from killing whales, correct? >> yes, our harpoon intercepter vehicle, 78 feet long it holds world record for circum navigating the globe under the name "earth race." came down here, being very successful interfering with their operation and the japanese made a decision to take it out. >> you think they consciously were trying to take out that ship? >> yes this is the second attack they have done in this campaign. a couple weeks ago they came after the "steve irwin" with their water cannons, trying to destroy our helicopter. >> "steer irwin" is the ship you were on, named after late steve irwin. seeing water cannons and video
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from the show "whale wars" from animal planet which documents your activities. how -- i mean this is -- how aggressive does this get out there? >> it is pretty hostile. the japanese are targeting endangered whales in an established whale sanctuary in violation of a global moratorium. they are poachers and we are trying to stop them. we are not down here protesting whaling, we are trying to stop illegal activities and we are at a real cis disadvantage because they are trying to injure or even kill us f they dork the government will justify and defend what they are doing. we have to do what we do making sure we don't injure anybody and we don't break the law. >> in this video we are seeing we seeing folks from your organization throwing some stuff at the japanese ships and seeing you guys being bombarded by water cannons in return. what are you throwing at the japanese ships? >> rotten butter bombs. stink bombs. >> what are stink bombs? what is the purpose of that? >> it makes it very difficult for them to continue their work on the deck because it makes the deck stink quite badly. and we are just disrupting their
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operations, trying to slow them down, trying to prevent them from killing whales and we have been successful. over the last three years, we have cut their quotas in half and they haven't made a profit. we keep this kind of economic pressure on them, i think we can bankrupt them and shut them down. that is their objective. >> they are hunting whales because in january, they eat whale meat, yes? >> there is a small market in japan, hardly considered a major industry, but they want to kill 935 mickey whales, 50 endangered hump backs and 50 endangered fins and we have been successful in cutting those quote tass in half. >> what to the ada gail now, going to be salvaged? >> in the process of trying to salvage it the first pry or sit to remove the fuel so we don't cause any pollution and then salvage what we can, but the vessel is sinking. half of it's already sunk and the other half is taking on water. there is no way that no way we can bring it back, just not sea-worthy at all. >> paul watson, i appreciate your time. stay safe out there thanks for being with us. >> thank you.
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ahead, our series what is next? isaac mizrahi telling us what is next in fashion and design, discusses his new ventures and the three things he cannot live without. and richard heene speaking out for the first time since his guilty plea. he denies the balloon dram mass a hoax. going to heart interview ahead.
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tonight, we continue our series, what's next where we talk to leaders from a wide
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range of fields about the new development these see ahead in the coming decade. last night we talked to inventor and interventer dean camen about health care, technology and science. tonight, we shift focus and turn to fashion and design. an obvious choice for an interview, designer isaac mizrahi, whose output is vast and varied, designed everything from clothing for target to a cheesecake. we talked earlier. interesting how the human eye changes. you look back at tv shows from -- i recently saw an old episode of "l.a. law" which i guess is from the early '80s. >> yes. >> at the time, i remember thinking -- >> don't forget you weren't born. you were around. >> i can't remember the exact year. you look at it now, it seems incredibly dated. it is the shoulder pads and looks absurd. and yet, i mean, we are wearing things now which 20 years from now, i'm going to look become on this suit and think i can't believe how i could have worn that i don't understand how the eye changes. >> well, i don't either, except i bore very easily. so when i see something that
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looks newish or that looks amusing, as opposed to dull, you know, i want to kill myself for being so board, i go with it, you know? and watching young people or watching, like, interesting, crazy people is a good way to see what's coming, do you know? >> you think about the future a lot? >> i do yes i do and sometimes, the less i understand something, the more i like it. i -- i was involved recently at the 92nd street y withcy a venue in new york where people speak. and i spoke with ashley olson. do you know who she is? >> one of the olsons. >> right. >> of course. >> i'm obsessed with the olsens. >> me, too. there she was, she literally was wearing like a hospital gown and tights and like -- >> wearing a hospital gown. >> stilts and like a tiara and a hospital gown. i thought this is the chiccist thing. i'm obsessed with it. >> do you look at the runways and say this is ridiculous,
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people couldn't wear t. >> it depends on the house you go to. if you went to chanel, i think everybody on the run situation expected to be worn by somebody f you go to dior, i don't think anyone expects anyone to wear that stuff and is great and it is quite influential. i will tell you, as a designer, i never look at it. i get, like, upset if i look at it you know? at others what others do i get upset with it and i work with stylists, luckily who say you can't do that because somebody did that already or, sometimes a bad style, oh, you should do that, because you did it already. >> i remember a movie "with unzipped" a graemt documentary, 1996, about you sort of development of one line, one season. >> right. there was something, i can't remember what it was. >> nanook of the north. >> it was the look that you had watched a move and i have that was sort of the inspiration but somebody else at the same time, unbeknownst to you, also did a nanook of the north. >> jean paul gate yeah did t. >> in terms of business you have your own line? >> yes. >> liz claiborne line a store that's opened up. >> that's right some great.
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>> you have qvc, you have been on a long time. >> mm-hmm. >> the target line. >> yes. >> you have -- you're in -- fingers in a lot of different pies. >> i also hopefully, i'm involved in television as well. >> right. >> i have this new talk show and for me, i said before, i bore so easily, right, and i never claim to be a master. i'm not henry james or something, you know? you, i'm not you. i think you're a mast over something, you know what i mean? and i'm not. i just like to be diverted. i have -- i need to be diverted a lot. and i get crazy ideas. you know, i had this idea, they said, oh, you should design product for the launch of qvc. so i did plaid things, plates and throws and cheesecake, a plaid cheesecake that went on a plaid platter. >> plaid cheesecake? >> it is beautiful. i'm it willing you delicious. >> i'm told we have some of your cheesecake. >> dough who says? wait, look, there it s has it come down to room temperature? >> wow, really is plaid. >> and it is beautifully wrought, is it not?
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a beautifully done -- >> how is that -- >> well, it's like -- i will tell you what it s. >> that blood edible? >> yeah, of course, i think you can get killed. crazy? of course it is edible that is the idea. >> i will just cut us a piece while we continue. >> you go on, you can eat. i think you need to bulk up, anderson. where i am going to be a supermodel by spring. >> are these your drawings? >> of my dog. thank you. i draw my dog obsessively. >> we ask everybody who we are talking to for the next series what three items can you not live without? >> oh, my god. three items. all right. well, one, i know, is my -- is my bridge program on my computer. >> bridge? really? >> yeah, uh-huh. because that's what i do when i get really board, i play computer bridge. that is one thing. the other thing is, let's see, oh, i have a beautiful scarf that's this perfect weight t is not too heavy. sometimes cashmere can be not too heavy it is too light. i refer to it as blank kim i take it with me as i travel.
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and what else can't i live without? my new orthotics. i got new orthotics for my shoes. >> suddenly, i feel like we're in miami beach in the '70s. >> i know. >> a nice scarf and orthotics. have some more cheesecake. >> have some more plaid cheesecake. sorry, what else? >> thanks so much. >> thank you. it is a pleasure. in terms of what is next in retail, mizrahi says expect online chop shopping to grab more of the market, actual stores with sales people won't disappear but retails best at serving customers online will have the greatest success. tomorrow, we continue the series what's next with education, i will talk to michelle reed, chancellor of washington, d.c. schools. she was tasked with transforming the troubled system more than two years ago. her tough tactics earned her a lot of praise, criticism as well. we collected questions from kids around the country for ree that is tomorrow on what's next on 360. get caught one some of the other stories with erica hill and 360. >> late word, lines is ending the ad campaign with actor
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charlie sheen n a statement from the company which reads in part, the commercials were suspended effective december 28th, the first date possible after letter sheen's christmas day arrest a spokesman went on to say that given the charges, domestic violence, the decision was "a pretty standard straightforward call." will a a lawyer for roman polanski today asking the judge to sentence the director while he remains under house arrest in switzerland a hearing will be held later this month. polanski fled the u.s. 32 years ago before being sentenced before having sex with a 13-year-old girl. a 360 follow-up, nba commissioner david stern indefinitely suspending washington wizards guard gilbert arenas without pay. he pointed his fingers as if they were guns at his teammates, the days after he violated nba rules after bringing actual guns into the wizards' locker room triggering an investigation. in a statement, arenas said he was sorry and understands why the league took action. richard heene, science detective and balloon boy's dad,
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talking again to larry king, just days before heading to jail after his recent guilty plea in the case. heene insists the stunt that captivated a nation was not a hoax. here's what he told larry. >> we had searched the house, high and low and -- i'm sorry. >> it's okay. >> and after i saw him in the craft and telling me that he went inside, i at first didn't believe bradford and i told him perhaps he is around. i just saw him. >> some and sum stance, by live your son informs the craft? >> i knew he was in the craft. >> you didn't know it. >> no in my mind. in my mind. >> oh. >> there was no other place 'cause i visualized him, i yelled at him to not go n. >> come on.
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what? >> are you -- >> are you kidding? >> are you saying you don't believe him? you didn't think he was genuine? >> fake tears, really? >> look how upset he was anderson. >> that is literally the way he fake-cried during that interview. >> didn't he and his wife meet in an acting class if i remember correctly. he said he pleaded guilty to save his wife mayumi from being deported to cnn. i thought it was interesting he chose to choke spoke to larry king and not wolf blirlts in the night for larry, that infamous night a -- not a couple nights ago, the same night little falcon himself uttered one of your favorite lines of 2009. here's the jab. >> say hi to would. >> hi. >> who the hell is wolf? >> mm-hmm. >> the only true words that little boy spoke during that interview. erica, time for tonight's shot. remember when you were a kid and certain things you weren't allowed to do like jump on your bed and do backflips? there is a reason for that and we found a teenaged girl who found that lesson the hard way.
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tonight's shot, it is from metacafe.com. >> oh. >> whoa! >> i actually hadn't seen that video. it hurts. >> that is why the doctor said no more monkeys jumping on the bed. >> oh, wow. i hadn't seen that video. it's quite -- >> want to see it again? >> just the falling part. yeah. i don't want to see the -- i don't need to see the success one again. i guess we have got it cued up. all right. do we? >> impressive backflip until, you know it back fires. >> i'm not sure i can watch this. >> oh, you can. oh. >> terrible. >> are you okay? >> i laugh. i don't know why. >> she gets up. that is the important thing. >> she is not going to try this
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again any time soon, i'm sure. don't try that at home. more news at the top of the hour. we will be right back. for my arthritis, i use
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and at the nerve level. to block pain for hours. new capzasin, takes the pain out of arthritis. tonight, the making of a terrorist. with charges leveled against the alleged christmas bomber, we have new inside information, surprising stuff about how quickly top officials now believe he was turned into a violent extremist. al qaeda's new methods of recruitment and who they are trying to reach now. also tonight, if the government plans a surge of air marshals, we look at what is and is not working at airport security. you have probably been patted down at airports, they are not worth much of anything. the millions spent on fancy tsa machines, wasted. we are keeping them honest. first up tonight, terror charges in the christmas bomb attempt a federal grand jury in detroit handing up the indictment against this man, umar farouk abdulmutallab, a nigerian, 23 years old a rich man, well traveled.
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allegedly radicalized at al qaeda training camp in yemen, you will hear only on "360" with shocking speed. the indictment says he boarded northwest flight 253 on christmas day with a bombed me of two explosives sewn into his underpants. i want to show you the charges. attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction. that's the bomb. attempted murder within the special aircraft jurisdiction of the u.s. that's legal term for any aircraft in american airspace or with an american destination. other charge, willful attempt to destroy and wreck an aircraft within that same legal jurisdiction. also, willfully placing a destructive device in, upon and in proximity to an aircraft. and two counts of possession of a firearm or destructive device in furtherance of a violent crime. now, all together, they add up to a potential life sentence. there's a lot of moving parts to this story in the criminal justice system, the counterterrorism community and the white house. we are covering all of it tonight with senior political analyst, david gergen, senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin, and frances townsend, cnn national security contributor and former homeland security adviser to president bush. so, jeff, a six-count federal indictment.
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what's next? >> he will be arraigned. he will not get out on bail. and the case will proceed, i assume, like richard reid, the shoe bomber. he is going to plead guilty. >> why do you think he would plead guilty? why wouldn't -- some who say he will try to make a mockery of the u.s. courts, that he will try drag this out as long as possible, then why wouldn't he plead not guilty, if that is what his intention is? >> that is a possibility, i suppose, but he has a responsible lawyer, the head public defender in that part of michigan. i just think when the facts are as obvious as these facts are people tend not to go to trial and i don't know when he will plead guilty, but i think he will. >> fran, the u.s. is already saying that they got information from this guy as soon as the fbi started interviewing him when they pulled him off the plane. >> well, that's right, anderson, but what we are hearing from fbi officials is that they spoke to him without giving him miranda. as you were expect, they were interested in the disruption of any follow-on attacks. they then gave him miranda. and what i'm hearing from fbi
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sources is that he then clammed up and became somewhat belligerent. i agree with jeffrey, given the overwhelming nature of this evidence, if he maintains a belligerent attitude, he may just force the government to walk the paces through the case. >> david, what are you hearing? i know you had some inside information about al qaeda and some of their recruiting tactics. >> the -- i was told, anderson, by folks at the white house that they were -- they were quite surprised that the recruiting effort, how successful and how quick it was. this young man, just like mr. hasan, was drawn in by the internet, which one person called today the hauntingly persuasive for people like him. but then he went to yemen. he was only there for about four months. and in that time, essentially, he was swept up and he was brainwashed in an almost cult-like environment and they sent him forward on his mission and it happened very quickly. he was turned around and turned into this, in effect, a guided
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missile for the al qaeda. so, the white house is trying to figure out now how does this al qaeda operation work? is this similar to what's going on elsewhere? how sophisticated is it? >> that is pretty interesting, fran. that corresponds to his father coming forward, saying my son has gone off the deep end, raising red flags about his son. he told cia officials that in nigeria, in the capital. it is surprising to hear how quickly though this young man was allegedly radicalized. >> that's right except there were other reports that was guy disaffected for some time, including the time when he was in yemen -- i'm sorry, when he was being educated in london. and we know al awlaki, whom david spoke about, radicalized him in yemen, was preaching there at the same time. it will be interesting to see as this unfolds, whether al awlaki
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and abdulmutallab had contact in yemen. it may be that this was a longer period of time during which he was susceptible to these radical ideas than we realize yet. >> he invited radical speakers when he was head of the islamic society of this school in england. that's what fran was referring to. jeff, a lot of criticism from mainly republicans saying, look this should have been tried, not put into a civilian court. the military should have handled this. this guy should not have been mirandized and read his rights and given the rights of an american citizen. would the process be very -- what would the process be if that had occurred, sort of taken by the military? >> well, since there hasn't been a successful military tribunal for terrorism since world war ii we don't know -- >> not one? >> not one that has resulted in a conviction like this, absolutely, in a case anything like this, not at all. so, i think when you talk about choosing between the two, you have to remember that we have a very tried, very effective federal criminal justice system and nothing comparable in the military system that's been proven to work and upheld by the courts.
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but even if you had a military tribunal system, you couldn't get more information out of him because he's not talking and presumably, we are done with waterboarding in this country. and having said he didn't want to talk, that would be respected. end of story. so, in fact, in terms of what we really care about, getting more information, you wouldn't get information either way. >> david, we talked about accountability last night. did whoever you talked to in the white house today talk about, you know, anyone actually being held responsible, being fired for -- for failing to connect the dots? >> well, i think a number of people in washington have been speculating that mr. lighter, who runs the national counterterrorism center, might well lose his job over this. i was told today that he was safe. that suggests that there may not be a lot of firings on this whole thing. i didn't have the sense in talking to people today that that was coming. instead, what i -- i also asked about a question paul begala raised on this program last
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night with you, anderson. that is, was the president going to take any responsibility here? after all, he didn't insert himself into that list yesterday about taking personal responsibility. and i was told that he did in the meeting yesterday say the buck stops here, in effect, i take responsibility and that he would publicly take responsibility. so, this brennan report that's coming out tomorrow may be accompanied by a statement by the president saying, ultimately, at the end of the day, i'm the responsible officer here. >> anderson, that is precisely what i heard on my way over here from a senior administration official. the report we are going to see from brennan tomorrow is going to be very short, two or three pages, and no one's getting fired. that was the most recent -- >> no one is getting fired? no one is resigning? >> right. >> interesting. fran townsend, appreciate it. david gergen, jeff toobin as well. thanks. >> thank you. no one, it seems, is being held accountable. do you think putting this guy on trial is the right move? let us know. join the live chat under way at ac360.com. i just logged on myself. up next, a new airline scare, fighter jets were
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scrambled, the entire security system apparently stretched tight. we have details on that. and now investigating tsa. when you walk through the tsa screening, does it actually work? you've probably been patted down, those fancy machines. you are going to be disturbed by what our investigation found. we are keeping them honest. and tonight, president obama making a campaign promise to negotiate health care reform out in the open, even on c-span. do you remember that promise? well, now the ceo of c-span is calling him on it, but is the president not living up to his promise? we have the raw politics and the plain facts.
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yet another sign tonight of how edgy it is for people to fly. a hawaiian airline 767 returning to portland, oregon, that is it right there after a passenger got unruly, and according to tsa made threatening remarks and refused to stow his carry-on bag. two f-15s were scrambled. authorities interviewed the passenger and companion and released them and turned the case over to authorities. the entire system remains on high alert. tonight, we are learning that the government is pushing to get more air marshals on airliners. in particular, immigration agents are being asked to
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volunteer because they have already got some of the needed training. things are changing. the real question though, and it is being asked from the white house on down is this, what works in airports? what doesn't work, in terms of screening? who is doing a good job and who isn't? randi kaye has been investigating the system. and tonight, she is keeping them honest. >> reporter: on sunday at terminal c in newark airport, a man slips past a security check point. a tsa worker is distracted and doesn't notice. even when a passenger alerts officials, the tsa waits more than an hour before alerting airport police to the security breach. if this was a real threat, that's precious time. and when the tsa tries to view security tape of the incident, it discovers the cameras are running but not recording. and we've learned that's not unusual. the union representing airport police tells us the tsa routinely informs them of illegal activity long after the fact. the tsa says it accepts full
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responsibility for the failure and has placed the employee involved on administrative leave. the unidentified man, no trace. keeping them honest, what's going on at the tsa and who is in charge? the man nominated as its head has admitted improperly accessing a government database 20 years ago to run a background check on his ex-wife's new boyfriend. the nomination has also been held up because of republican's concern he would allow tsa workers join a labor union. and there are other problems. the tsa spent $30 million on its fancy puffer machines, which blow air on you to release explosive material. they didn't work and are being phased out. one security expert says tsa pat-down practices miss all sorts of things. >> any pat-down that you experience that doesn't embarrass you physically is one
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that's not very effective. >> reporter: even the agency's animals seem out of sorts. in philadelphia, three of the tsa's bomb-sniffing dogs failed consecutive tests. the dogs were responsible for checking cargo at philadelphia international. ten other airport dogs did pass the tests. >> they don't retrain them. they got to retrain and recertify. it's not the dog's fault. the dog can't say i can't smell a bomb. >> reporter: tsa's response? there are more than 700 dog teams at airports and mass transit hubs and all are suppose to be recertified occasionally. back in december, when the tsa inadvertently posted its screening procedures manual online, a leak that might aid terrorists, five employees were put on leave. just yesterday in bakersfield, california, the airport was evacuated, shut down for five hours, after two tsa workers found what they thought were traces of explosives on a bag and bottles. they complain they had felt sick after smelling fumes from the bottles. turns out, the bottles contained honey. officials are still puzzled. on its website, the tsa says its
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vision is to, "continuously set the standard for excellence in transportation security." a vision that, to some, seems blinded by mishaps and confusion. >> and, i mean, let's be clear, a lot of tsa personnel are working hard to try to keep us all safe, but this is -- there are mistakes happening all across the world in security. >> right. certainly isn't just the tsa. we have one crazy story to share with you out of slovakia. the airport police there tried to test their security system. things didn't go so well. they put explosives in a passenger's backpack but bomb-sniffing dogs only found one. the airport police were distracted and apparently, they just forgot about the other one and the passenger ended up flying to dublin with it. it wasn't connected to a detonator. so it wasn't dangerous. but this poor guy's house was raided, anderson, and he was arrested briefly because they forgot they left an explosive in his backpack. >> thanks. will president obama back away from a campaign put the final bargaining over health care reform in front of the cameras on c-span?
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c-span. it is all going to be televised. all of this will be done on c-span, in front of the public. we will have the negotiations televised on c-span. >> well, that's just five times. as promises go, it's pretty explicit. why, as democrats prepare for the last key phase of health care negotiations where they merge the house and the senate bills democrats ignoring c-span's actual requests to cover the negotiations live? c-span sent a letter to democratic leaders last week. as of tonight, no response yet from lawmakers or from president obama. joe johns joins me with the raw politics. joe, i mean it does seem odd, the president talked a lot about transparency, clearly said he wanted to see this on c-span. >> it is simple this has obviously been hard so far and a lot easier than having a big televised event. white house is just sort of making the case that this issue has already been vetted, vetted for two years. they also realize that if they did have televised hearings, it would just give the opposition another platform, anderson. >> again, just a case of you say one thing when you are running for office and this happens on both sides of the political aisle and very different when you are actually leader.
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from the republican perspective, there were some backroom deals. republicans say the democrats were essentially buying votes. you look at senator ben nelson, who's state of nebraska ended up with a deal they don't have to pick up the tab for expanding medicaid. bernie sanders of vermont, a supporter of the public option, his state ends up with a $10 billion grant for community health centers. so, do republicans have a point here? >> well, yeah, but it's also a question of political realities. it is pretty clear the bill is not going to get significant republican support. and what the republicans are pretty much going to miss out on now is the opportunity to score some points and grandstand for the base. and they are still also getting to the point where they can claim the president is breaking that campaign promise. but to be fair, the president made that promise before the republicans said they would filibuster the health care bill. so, either way, this gives the opportunity for them to accuse those democrats one more time of the secret dealmaking you were talking about on health care. win-win for them pretty much. >> yeah.
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nancy pelosi was asked about this by a reporter, about not having these negotiations on c-span. here's what she said. >> well, there are a number of things said on the campaign trail. >> yeah. i mean, ouch. why would the speaker sort of whack the president like that? >> well, definitely, it sounded like the speaker was having a little fun at the president's expense. and you know, in a way, she is right. when you make promises about transparency, like mr. obama did on the campaign trail, you got to expect that they could come back and bite you. the administration has admitted, sure there have been miscalculations all the way through this health care debate, starting with their failure to sort of failure to figure out how militant the opposition would be. a democratic analyst told me the white house never really expected to get the kind of public pushback that they have gotten so far. >> so, does the president have lasting damage for being, you know, for transparency, before he was against it?
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>> well, sort of short-term/long-term. short-term, probably not. fights over congressional procedure generally go absolutely nowhere, and the president and his party are likely going to get what they want when they pass their bill. long-term damage though could be a different story. clearly, looks like the president has gone back on his word. so, if this is about political capital, he spent a lot on this one. the question really is whether he spent more than he's got. all right, joe johns, appreciate it. thanks very much. let's turn again to cnn senior political analyst david gergen for tonight's insider briefing. david, i should point out, worked for the clinton administration during its struggle to pass health care reform in the '90s, also worked for republican administrations in the white house. i talked to him earlier. david, you went through this with the white house, the clinton white house, they were also accused of being -- not being transparent, being overly partisan. what do you think the fallout is going to be for the obama administration and the democrats
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in general this time around? >> well, so far, anderson, they have had a remarkable lack of success in bringing the public along on this health care bill. and seems to me that's their biggest problem right now. they have got the democrats pretty much. i think they are going to be able to resolve a lot of these differences behind closed doors. this whole effort to say put it on c-span i sort of don't think is going to go -- make that much difference to the public. what the public is really concerned about is is this plan going to work? how much is it going to cost me? how much -- is the government going to be able to run this right? am i going to lose my health care? the more substantive issues. on those issues now, there has been no movement in the polls i have seen in the president's direction, which means we could have for the first time in our lifetime major social legislation passed in the teeth of public opposition. >> what did they do wrong? i mean, they supposedly had learned the mistakes that had been made under the clinton administration and trying to do health care. you have president obama elected saying, you know, a lot of people saying they want health care reform. they now are on the brink of having some kind of health care
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reform. and yet, as you say, this is in the face of public opposition. >> anderson, i -- i think that they may have overlearned the lessons of the clinton administration by essentially assigning almost all the responsibility for writing the bill, the health care bill, to congress. it, inevitably, got drawn into the vortex of, especially in the house, what is a lot of partisanship. and very importantly, the summer was a turning point for this, when those tea parties got started up and the people started throwing bricks at the health care plan, the white house wasn't quite prepared for that and they had -- the month of august was a lost month for them. and by the time the president came back, went to the congress to give that speech, he was able to, i think, staunch the flow of bleeding. but he wasn't able to turn opinion around in his favor. and i think the white house itself now realizes that one of the things they have got to get straightened out here in the
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future is they can be really, really good when they are all together in the white house but when they scatter for holidays, as they did in august and as they did again with the -- with the december bombing by the bomber in detroit, they tend to be a little slower off the mark. and they can lose some of the momentum. >> maybe no holidays next year. we will see. david, thanks. david gergen. >> thank you. still ahead tonight, a "360" dispatch from what appears to be the new front in the war on terror. we will take you inside yemen for a firsthand look at where and why al qaeda is thriving. a real reporting you will see only on cnn. and a daring escape caught on camera. an inmate breaks free from a chain, runs off. how it ended, coming up.
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first, erica hill has a "360" bulletin. anderson, the 89-year-old white supremacist charged with killing a security guard at the holocaust museum in washington, d.c., died this afternoon at the federal prison in north carolina where he was awaiting trial.
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james von brunn suffered from chronic congestive heart failure as well as other problems. he was 88. at least six deaths are now blamed on the arctic chill that began across much of the country this weekend and even lower temperatures are on the way. cnn meteorologist rob marciano says the south will get a second blast of arctic air later this week. and those temperatures will be about five degrees colder. just what you want to hear. snow, meantime, is the problem in the midwest where a blizzard warning is in effect for parts of south dakota. you can see the wind there. up to nine inches of snow is expected in the chicago area. one of the most powerful democrats in the senate is retiring. connecticut senator christopher dodd, who ran for the presidential nomination in 2008, announcing today he will not seek re-election to a sixth term. this comes just one day after democratic senator byron dorgan of north dakota, who has served in congress for nearly 30 years, announced he won't run again either. and also not seeking another term, a man who is considered a rising star in the democratic party, colorado governor bill ritter. his reason, something we have heard before from politicians, and something senator dodd
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apparently doesn't agree with. >> no longer going to be a candidate for re-election in 2010. it allows me to concentrate on the things that are and should be most important to all of us, taking care of my family. >> now, there's nothing more pathetic, in my view, than a politician who announces they are only leaving public life to spend more time with their family. >> now, we should mention, six republican senators have also announced they are retiring. and here in new york city, check out this daring escape on staten island. it was actually caught on camera by our affiliate, wabc. an inmate, there you see, breaks free from a chain of prisoners being led out of the police precinct. makes run for a ferry terminal. they caught him though on a train a few minutes later, apparently, held him in the conductor's car. >> yikes. wow. there you go as always, join the live chat happening ac360.com.
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coming up, a "360" dispatch on the ground in yemen where not many outsiders visit. we just got into the country and shows us why it is a new staging ground for al qaeda. plus, looking in the future again tonight in our what's next series. we will talk with designer isaac mizrahi what is next in fashion and design and what three things he cannot live without. stay tuned. with cialis for daily use... a clinically proven, low-dose tablet for erectile dysfunction you take every day so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. tell your doctor about your medical condition and all medications and ask if you're healthy enough for sexual activity. don't take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. don't drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long term injury seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than 4 hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision stop taking cialis and call your doctor right away.
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in yemen, officials reported the arrests of three more al qaeda suspects today, and i want to show where you this occurred. the operation unfolded in amran province, which is northwest of the capital, sanaa. it's the latest in a series of raids since the accused christmas day bomber was tied to yemeni extremists. as we talked about earlier, at the time this nigerian, umar farouk abdulmutallab spent in yemen is critical to his radicalization. i want to show you the key points as to why that is on the map. this is where yemen is, right here, right below saudi arabia.
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what you may not realize is yemen is the ancestral home of osama bin laden. his family comes from a region called hadramut. it's a province right there. and a large extended family still live in that area. yemen is also where, i should point out, we have been attacked before. back in 2000, al qaeda bombed the "uss cole," which is right here in aden harbor. since that bombing, yemen's largely unsecured border with saudi arabia made it an easy place to enter, because there are large, unpopulated swaths of desert, a relatively easy place for al qaeda to set up training camp. check out this border here, very long border here with saudi arabia. yemen is considered a police state and the government stays is committed to fighting extremists but that is easier said than done. it is an unforgiving place, not many outsiders visit.
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but our paula newton just got into the country and here is what she found in tonight's "360" dispatch. >> reporter: flying into yemen, it is hard to shake the instant comparison, the jagged mountains, the unforgiving terrain, reminds you so much of afghanistan. and on the ground, it's easy to figure out why al qaeda is staging a comeback here. this is a deeply conservative, religious country where poverty is found in every corner and crevice. umar farouk abdulmutallab singled out this language school in the capital, ostensibly to improve his arabic and refine his knowledge of islam just months before he boarded flight 253 to detroit. so, we are here at the language institute where abdulmutallab came, and authorities believe this was a cover for him. we will in right now and see if we can find anyone who knows him. the institute's director tells us he was shocked by the christmas day bombing attempt. abdulmutallab, he says, was quiet and devout. when i realize that al qaeda
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member was here in our school or lived in a hostile. >> because you wonder what could have happened? >> of course. >> reporter: now, take a look at abdulmutallab's view of the old city of sanaa, the capital of yemen, a place where yemeni authorities believe he nursed his extremism and may have found a way to express it. the institute is now convinced that abdulmutallab was using their language school as a cover and that he knew what he wanted when he came to yemen. he wanted to mix and mingle in this chaotic environment. we are here outside the old city gates of sanaa, the capital. and remember that here, the 9/11 attacks were celebrated as a victory for jihad. some people allege that abdulmutallab knew that if he wanted to perpetrate some kind of an attack, he could find the means to do it right here in yemen. american linda shen has been living in yemen for four years as an arabic student and web designer. she says she is not surprised abdulmutallab would choose this country.
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he wanted material support for a terror attack. >> yes, i have met people, and i would not be surprised that he would do something like. i just was surprised that he -- such a quiet guy, would be him. >> in terms of trying to get something like an explosive though, that's even -- >> it's not difficult. i mean, if i wanted to, i can get ahold of explosives, if i wanted to. in yemen. easy. >> and all these things, do they make it a prime choice for al qaeda to try and settle in here? >> absolutely. absolutely. the chaos. you know, the -- you know, the lack of government control. absolutely. i mean, you see the terrain in yemen. oh, it's a haven. if you are hide in some mountains, with the tribal control, nobody can get in there. [ sirens ] >> reporter: and yet, only now, it seems yemeni special forces speeding through the country on a hair trigger, on the hunt for al qaeda operatives. >> paula, a lot of people here calling yemen the new front in
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the war on terror, but leaders there say they have been warning about this for years? >> absolutely, anderson. you know, the yemeni officials tell me, look, we have told three american administrations that al qaeda is a problem here and they need to be able to help with us some intelligence from the military and aid support, quite frankly, anderson. what's interesting here though is that the yemeni government can't be seen to be a puppet of the united states. you know, anderson, we would go right back down that road again, going down in pakistan. you can help, you can aid, you can get that intelligence in, but you can only go so far and that is because of the anti-mannerism that still remains quite deep here. and you know, anderson, think about this. we just had a report that said that intelligence in afghanistan really has not been very effective for almost a decade. yemeni officials telling me still, when we ask american what do you know about yemen, what do you think the biggest reference is? that chandler from an episode of "friends" decided he was going to escape from yemen in one
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episode. one side, they are laughing, but the other, how are we going to expect some good support from our western allies and how far behind the 8 ball are we right now with these al qaeda cells? really, there could be more al qaeda operatives in this country right now, anderson, than there are in afghanistan. >> paula newton, stay safe there. thanks. up next, get in shape, help the environment. it is something you can do every day. why don't more people do it when "360" continues. hey -- who's our best presentation guy? carl.
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it's a simple thing you can do to help the environment, riding your bike to work instead of driving it can dramatically reduce your carbon footprint, but few people in america tully do it. bike advocacy groups across the country are working to change this by making biking to work safer and easier. brook baldwin took a ride with one of these advocates on the streets of atlanta for tonight's
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"one simple thing" report. >> hey, alex. >> how are you doing? >> reporter: alex may look like just another guy at the office. >> how are we doing with fast track? >> reporter: except this hospital efficiency expert does something that most americans do not. five days a week, alex bikes to work. how long are we biking today, alex? >> about 10 1/2 to 11 miles. >> i should ask how long are you biking today? a bike path. >> reporter: on a frigid january morning, alex invited me along for part of his morning commute. so, is this the steepest hill we are going to deal with? >> no. >> this is like the warmup. >> reporter: physical fitness is one of the reasons alex swears by his bike. two others, helping the environment and cutting commuter costs. how much do you think you save every month by biking? have you ever done the math? >> i think i did it a couple years ago. it's a couple hundred dollars at least a month. >> reporter: not to mention alex
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gets paid to bike. tucked away in the 2008 emergency economic stabilization act, otherwise known as the bank bailout, is section 211. it allows employers nationwide to give $20 a month, tax-free, to employees who commute by bike. so, what's the incentive for employers? it's the clean air campaign's mission to answer that very question. brian carr says it's an opportunity for companies to allow their employees to help environment. >> more employers are being motivated to think green, act green, integrate into their decisionmaking more sustainability. >> reporter: carr says every mile you don't drive keeps a pound of pollution out of the air. did we mention, this is atlanta, known for the pollution, sprawl and gridlock. >> the red lines are the bike lanes we have today on the ground in atlanta. you can see there are not very many of them. >> not very many. >> reporter: as executive
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director of the atlanta bike coalition, rebecca cerna is trying to change that atlanta is no longer considered one of the worst cities for cycle bug not the best either. >> is all about money. fortunately, one thing we have on our side is that bike lanes are the cheapest transportation facility that you can build. we see this as being a really inexpensive and cost-effective alternative to, for example, widening the street. >> reporter: more bike lanes and warmer weather would be nice for alex and his 22-mile round-trip commute. after a quick shower, he blends back in at the office, all the while leaving behind a much smaller carbon footprint. brook baldwin, cnn, atlanta. ahead, our series, what's next? isaac mizrahi tells us what is next in fashion and design and discusses his new venture and the three things he can't live without. and richard heene speaking out for the first time since his guilty plea. he denies the whole balloon drama is a hoax.
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tonight, we continue our series, "what's next," where we talk to leaders from a wide we talk to leaders from a wide range of fields about the new developments they see ahead in the coming decade. last night we talked with health care, technology and science. tonight we shift focus and turn to fashion and design. isaac mizrahi whose outputt is vast and varied. he's designed clothing for target to a cheesecake. we talked earlier. how the human eye changes. you look back at tv shows from -- i recently saw an old episode of "l.a. law" which is from the early '80s. at the time i remember thinking -- >> don't pretend you weren't born. >> no, i can't remember the exact year. you look at it now, it seems incredibly dated. the shoulder pads. it looks absurd. and yet, i mean, we're wearing things now which 20 years from
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now -- i'm going to look back on this suit and think i can't believe how i could have worn that. i don't understand how the eye changes. >> i don't either. except i bore easily. when i see something that looks newish or amusing as opposed to dull, i go with it. and watching young people or watching like interesting, crazy people is a good way to see what's coming. do you know? >> you think about the future a lot, do you? >> yes, i do. sometimes the less i understand something, the more i like it. i was involved recently at the 92nd street y which is a venue in new york where people speak. i spoke with ashley olsen. >> one of the olsens. i'm obsessed with the olsens. >> me, too. there she was. she was literally wearing a hospital gown and tights. >> she was not wearing a hospital gown. >> and stilts and a tiara and hospital gown. this is the chicest thing.
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i don't understand it, but i'm obsessed with it from now on. >> does fashion make sense to you. people look at what's on the runways. we say that stuff looks ridiculous. no one could actually wear it. >> i don't know. it depends on the house that you go to. if you went to, i guess, to chanel, i think everything on the runway is expected to be worn by somebody. if you go to dior, i don't think anyone expects anyone to wear that stuff. and it's great and quite influential. as a designer, i never look at it. i get upset if i look at it. at others, what others do. i get upset with it. i work with stylists who say, you can't do that because somebody did that already. or sometimes a bad style, you should do that because someone did it already. >> i remember on "zipped" which was a great documentary about the development of one line, one season. >> right. >> there was something -- i can't remember what it was. >> nan ook of the north. >> you had watched the movie and that was the inspiration. but somebody else at the same
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time unbeknownst to you also did a nanook of the north. >> jean paul gaultier. >> you have your own line, a liz claiborne line. qvc, the target linep. >> yes. >> you're in -- >> i also hopefully, you know, i'm involved in television as well. i have been on talk shows. for me, i bore so easily, right? and i never claim to be a master. i'm not henry james or something. you know what i mean? i'm not you. i think you're a master of something. you know what i mean? and i'm not. i just like to be diverted. i have the need to be diverted a lot. i get crazy ideas. you know, i had this idea, they said, you should design product for the launch of qvc. so i did plaid things, plates and throws and cheesecake, a plaid cheesecake that went on a plaid platter. it's beautiful. it's delicious.
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>> i'm told we actually have some of your cheesecake. >> we do? who says? wait, there it is. has it come down to room temperature? >> it really is plaid. >> and it's beautifully raw, is it not? a beautifully done thing. >> how is that done? >> i'll tell you what it is. >> is that plaid edible? >> yeah, of course. no, i think you'd get killed if you -- are you crazy? of course it's edible. >> i'll cut us a piece. >> you go on and eat. i think you need to bulk up, where i'm going o be a supermodel by spring. these are my drawings of my dog. i draw my dog obsessively. >> we ask everybody who we talk to, what three items can you not live without? >> three items? one, i know, is my -- is my bridge program on my computer. >> bridge, really? >> yeah. mm-hmm. because that's what i do when i get really bored. i play computer bridge. that's one thing. the other thing is, let's see,
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oh, i have this beautiful scarf that's this perfect weight. not too heavy. sometimes a cashmere scarf can be heavy. it travels well. i refer to it as blankie. i take it with me when i travel. my new orthotics. i got new orthotics for my shoes. >> suddenly i feel like we're in miami beach and we're 75 years old. i got a nice scarf and orthotics. have some more cheesecake. >> and plaid cheesecake. sorry, what else? >> thank you so much. >> thank you. a pleasure. in terms of what's next in retail, he says expect online shopping to take more of the market. retailers best at serving customers online will do the best. i'll talk to chancellor of washington, d.c., schools. she was tasked with transforming the troubled system more than two years ago. her tough tactics have earned her a lot of praise and criticism and collected kids
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from around the country. that's tomorrow. let's get caught up on some of the other stories right now with erica hill and a 360 bulletin. >> late word that hanes is ending its agreement with charlie sheen. after mr. sheen's christmas day arrest. a spokesperson went on to say given the charge, domestic violence, it was a pretty standard, straightforward call. a call to sentence the director while he remains under house arrest in switzerland. a hearing will be held later this month. he fled the u.s. nearly 32 years ago before being sentenced for having sex with a 13-year-old girl. nba commissioner david stern indefinitely suspending gilbert arenas without pay. the move comes a day after he pointed his index fingers as if they were guns at his teammates. they say he violated the rules
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by bringing actual guns into the locker room. in a statement today, he said he was sorry and understands why the league took action. and richard heene, talking again to larry king, just days before heading to jail after his recent guilty plea in the case. heene insists the stunt that captivated the nation was not a hoax. here's what he told larry. >> we had searched the house high and low, and -- i'm sorry. >> okay. >> after i saw him in that craft, and bradford telling me he went inside, i first didn't believe bradford. and i told him, perhaps he's around. i just saw him. >> so in substance, you believe your son was in the craft? >> i know he was in the craft. >> you didn't know.
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because he wasn't. >> no, in my mind. in my mind. there was no other place because i visual eyed him. i yelled at him to not go in. >> come on! what? are you kidding me? >> are you saying you don't believe him? look how upset he was, anderson. >> and that is literally the way he fake cried during that stupid interview. >> didn't he and his wife meet in an acting class. do i remember that correctly? he said he pleaded guilty to keep his wife from being deported to japan. you can see the interview friday night here on cnn. i personally thought it was interesting he chose to speak to larry king and not wolf blitzer who was in for larry on the infamous night a couple of nights ago, the same night that little falcon himself uttered one of your favorite lines of 2009. here's the gem. >> say hi to wolf. >> hi. >> who is hell's wolf? >> mm-hmm. >> the only true words that little boy spoke that night on the air. erica, time for tonight's shout.
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remember when you were a kid and there were certain things you couldn't do like jump on your bed and do back flips. there's a reason for that. we found a teenage girl that learned that lesson the hard way. it's from meta cafe.com. >> hu! wee! >> ooh. >> whoa. >> goodness. i actually hadn't seen that video. that hurts. >> ow. >> that's why the doctor said no more monkeys jumping on the bed. >> yeah. wow. i hadn't seen that video. it's quite -- >> you want to see it again? >> well, just the falling part. i don't need to see it again. i guess we got it cued up. all right. >> impressive backflip until it backfires. >> i'm not sure i can

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